oil lamp

wis41 · Post by **wis41** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:38 pm

Hey guys, ive recently noticed while the engine is running cold in the morning, the oil warning lamp is lit up for about five minutes - after which it starts flickering then turns off when the engine has warmed up. Is this an indication that the oil pump is slowly dying? oil level is fine..
thanks guys

Paul Smith · Post by **Paul Smith** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:09 pm

That'd scare the shit out of me. I wouldn't drive it.

Post by **Ash** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:58 pm

dude, seriously get it checked! i wouldn't be driving it! if you do, do not flog it! you'll end up with a dead engine if the pump goes.

but then again, i drove my first car roughly 90km's or maybe more? without any oil in it!

it was an old 86 Hyundai excel (Mitsubishi engined) i didn't check the oil for ages then i did a decent sized drive then thought shit

, i'd better check the oil! so i did and absolutely no oil whatsoever! not even a single drop! go figure? it never really used much either! but i topped it back up and just kept on abusing the hell out of that thing and not once did it give me any mechanical trouble! i ended up driving it to the wreckers about a year and a half later with fucked suspension and clutch but the engine was still fine! talk about tough!
just to add, i really tried to kill that bloody engine aswell! just for fun and i didn't give a toss about it! i used to put it in neutral and hold the foot to the floor more sometimes. be doing roughly 80/90kmh and just shove it in first. rally bash the hell out of it revving it to the moon and back! for bloody ages i did that!
so i ran it with no oil, revved the hell out of it, held it flat to the floor valve bouncing the bloody thing and it still lives!

do that with an E15T and see how long it lasts!

sorry for the rant. just sharing some good memories.

Ash.

wis41 · Post by **wis41** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:29 am

lol gee thanks for sharing.. - i think ill get the oil pressure tested pretty soon. Wont be able to do it myself coz i dont have a guage but is there any way i can check for decent oil pressure without one..? thanks for the input.

Post by **tassuperkart** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:06 pm

Nope.

Kimmo · Post by **Kimmo** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:03 pm

Where's a good place to hook up an oil pressure gauge? It's a sensor with a wire running to the gauge, right?

I imagine you don't run an oil line through the firewall for one...

wis41 · Post by **wis41** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:00 pm

ok this is what happened this morning - When i started the car the oil light came on like expected, so while it was still cold i pulled off the oil feed line to the turbo to see if it was getting anything - not even a drop! I put the feed line back and waited till it warmed up a bit. After 5mins or so, the temp went up n the oil light turned off. So i pulled it off again to check and this time oil pissed out like a fountain - what the fuks goin on here - how can there be nothing while its cold and then pour out when it heats up?? Could one of the galleries be partially blocked with anything..?
cheers
Wissam,

Kimmo · Post by **Kimmo** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:45 pm

Hmm, I'd try pouring a couple of litres of turps through the engine when it's warm and running (to pump it through the motor to try and flush out any gunk - I'd switch it off a few seconds later), draining the oil, and chucking in some fresh stuff for starters.

Just a crazy thought - I've never heard of anyone trying this. Don't let it run for long at all with the thinned-out oil if you give it a go.

Sounds like some serious sludge factor happening...

Either that, or for some reason the drive to your oil pump only works when the engine's warm, which seems pretty weird...

Post by **The Renegade** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:47 pm

Something ain't right. You're 100% positive that there's enough oil in it huh?
I'd definately doi what Kimmo suggested and have the oil system cleaned out.

wis41 · Post by **wis41** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:17 pm

oil level is fine - you guys sure about this turps idea? anyone ever tried this? i mean that oil is going to thin to pretty much nothing, and besides, solvents always leave a slight residue afterwards which will mix with the next lot of oil. What about the engine flush products you can just buy..? thanks for the ideas

Post by **The Renegade** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:16 pm

I dunno about the turps .... in theory it's good, but I dunno.
I've seen some workshops that have a proper flush system, pumps a cleanser thru your engine, sucks it out, then they put nice new oil in. Was about $120 a few years back.
OR
I have found on old bottle of this Wynns Oil System Flush in my garage. You put it in with your old oil, run it for 15 mins (I think it said 15, label was pretty crap) drain it and then put fresh oil in. Maybe you should try that.

Kimmo · Post by **Kimmo** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:57 pm

Sounds like the go

SashET · Post by **SashET** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:16 pm

Diesel works just as well. But I dont know how long you can run the engine with it in there before damaging something.

Just get yourself that engine flush shit and she'll be right. At least you get the instructions with it!

BTW, what grade engine oil is in there now? Sounds like its viscosity is really dependant on your engine temp..... well, more than usual anyway.

When engine bearings are on their way out, they will usually give you shit oil pressure. But this doesnt sound like the case with yours.

Cheers
Sash

wis41 · Post by **wis41** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:47 am

I was just using some 20w/50, but now i ive changed it to 15w/50 after flushing it with the treatment (Nulon engine flush). I then started it from cold this morning and it still has the same problem.. this shit doesnt make any sense - how could it just start flowing once its warm?

Paul Smith · Post by **Paul Smith** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:16 am

Maybe the oil pump is so badly worn it has to get hot and expand a bit to drive the oil properly. Don't know. Try replacing the pump and the sender.